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[MCA]TMac

Wed Sep 23 2009, 06:54AM

One can short of a Six Pack

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From the Get Up campaign...

Did you know the Government is proposing an internet censorship scheme that goes further than any other democracy in the world? That's why I'm one of over 100,000 Australians who have signed the petition to Save the Net. Will you join me?

This Friday, our petition will grace the pages of newspapers across the nation. That way the Government, who are due to make a decision any day now, will be left in no doubt as to how deeply unpopular this kind of censorship is in Australia. Can you help me make that petition too large to ignore?

http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/AddYourNameSaveTheNet

Our Government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. This proposed internet censorship does neither. The plan has even been slammed by children's welfare groups, who say the filter is "fundamentally flawed" and simply will not work.

Can you join me and children's welfare groups, internet providers, consumers, engineers, network administrators, and over 100,000 everyday Australians in defence of our freedoms? Let's make sure this Friday's newspaper ad has an impact too large to ignore.

LINK - Click Here

Thanks!

Life is too short

G_Reaper

Wed Sep 23 2009, 07:10AM

watchUburn

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You must be a pedophile. Only a pedophile would oppose this initiative to protect our children from accessing harmful material

[ Edited Wed Sep 23 2009, 07:11AM ]

[MCA]Schultzy

Wed Sep 23 2009, 07:45AM

schultzburger

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I always laugh at how stupid this filter idea is, million of dollars invested directly in hampering the progress of Australian internet.

[MCA]TMac

Wed Sep 23 2009, 08:03AM

One can short of a Six Pack

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This initiative will do nothing to protect our children.

As someone with three children I am reading your reply and assuming you are using heavy sarcasm on your part, meant only in jest. I hope I’m correct in that assumption otherwise my initial reaction of taking enormous offence may have been correct.

I do not find the subject of child abuse a subject of humor and regret that ignorant people use it as a scare tactic to drive other agenda’s. I am quite happy to debate the issue with anyone, however, ad hominem bullshit like that will get you to the top of my shit list.

Life is too short

[MCA]Schultzy

Wed Sep 23 2009, 09:24AM

schultzburger

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I get your point TMac and don't think im defending that kind of thing but i think reaper was channeling what seems to be the default arguement uninformed (or government-only informed) people that see this 'initiative' as a good way of protecting children, without any consideration on the potential effects it will have to congestion/false-flags/and even privacy to an extent,, not to mention the obvious inability of any one system to keep track of and decide upon the appropriateness of content of websites/pages last listed at 183million websites(mid 2009) / 29.7 billion webpages(early 2007 estimate).

Somehow those in charge of Australia's telecommunications don't understand that the internet cannot be blanketed, filtered or controlled by any means, by the time any team of "content checkers" have managed to sift through say, 1000 unique websites and their associated webpages, a countless amount would have come and gone. And if there are no "content checkers" and the entire process is left to a program and its 'blacklist', then the main against-arguement comes into play that the majority of inappropriate content will be missed and perfectly legitimate sites blocked.

/end rant im tired

[MCA]sgtfuzzy

Wed Sep 23 2009, 09:38AM

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Tmac, the world is changing and the govenment is trying to do something about it, surely better than nothing. I agree that the millions spent would be better served fertiliizing the deserts of SA with the eggs of Murray cod but surely something is better than nothing. See it as a bit here and a bit there and maybe in the future they will get it close, but to say no does play into the hands of evil people like reaper as well as cibil libertarinas as your goodself. Best internet protection is to take your sons fishing.

[MCA]Flubby

Wed Sep 23 2009, 01:59PM

[MCA]Flubby

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Well all i can say is FUCK the GOVT. I want to be able to look at what i want. And no I'm not a pedophile i just want to have the freedom to do what i want to do.

What gives the Govt the right to censor what i want to look at. Shit if that is the way i want to live I'll move to CHINA as the are heavily censored over there.

So i say get stuffed NET censorship.

The Govt here are using the same scare tactics that alot of companies use to make you use their product as it is the best. BULLSHIT. You are limiting what i can and can't do with my life.

G_Reaper

Wed Sep 23 2009, 05:36PM

watchUburn

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Joined: Mon Apr 07 2008, 08:47AM
Posts: 550

Yeah sorry. I was merely quoting Conroys standard response to anyone who opposes his clean feed plan.

I'm with you TMac, it's a waste of time and money and I just don't trust the government enough to let them block anything they want and put it on a secret list.

If their filtering works, then we wouldn't be able to see the sites on the list anyway, so why keep it secret?

If you want to keep children safe on the internet, then provide free filtering software for the parents, and educate them on the need to monitor what their children get up to.

If you want to stop pedophiles from doing what they do, then put the money towards the federal police so they can detect and catch them.

[MCA]OzAngel

Wed Sep 23 2009, 06:57PM

ozangel

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I have to agree with Reaper and Tmac on this. We already have filtering on all Queensland education computers and it is a nightmare that does not work. I don't trust any government enough to allow them to decide what I am allowed to see on the internet. What I find so great about the internet is my freedom of access to anything that anyone puts out there. It is then up to me to decide if I believe it or not. We get enough censorship from media moguls trying to influence the way we think about certain subjects without the government stepping in and taking away the free access and voice that the internet allows us.
As far as child safety is concerned, I think we shelter our kids enough from the big bad world. It is up to us as parents to educate our children about the good, the bad and the ugly so they can develop strategies to recognise and deal with these predators. These predators are a sickness that have existed in human civilizations for centuries and always find ways to access their pray, if you close the internet they will simply find another way.

If we listening to the scar tactics than should we not close or censor religion because of the centuries of abuse that happened to children within the church. Perhaps children should be banned from public areas as this is another place that these predators can gain access to them. Hell maybe we should not send our children to school as there have been incidence of child sexual molestation by some staff members. Maybe children should just stay in side where is it nice and safe, just in case. But where do we put the parents ( some parents sexually molest their children) and who is going to look after the children, the government (do you trust them with your children).

So I say instead of plonking your children down in front of a computer so you can get a break. Teach them how to use it first, warn them of the dangers, tell them how to avoid and recognise these predators, discuss anything they might accidentally come across, set and reinforce some boundries for computer usage, and have the computer somewhere you can keep an eye on them. We are their parents, guardians of their future and most of all their teachers. To restrict access teaches nothing.

stepping off my soap box
Oz

Sniper

Wed Sep 23 2009, 07:31PM

Sniper

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Joined: Mon Mar 09 2009, 01:34AM
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Well at least some one has an approach to an ever growing problem. Fuzzy i`m with you and OZ

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